One benefit of the Cabinet Makers Association is advice on the organization’s members- only forums. Here’s a sample interchange covering contracts,
insurance, and providing shop
drawings to an architect.
Q: When you do shop drawings for an architect, do you
provide them with
details of how you build your
cabinets or do you just provide
them with the layout and what
type of materials you will use?
Randy Nightengale: Just layout and materials. In my market,
that is what they are interested
in. They give us very few details,
and I can understand that. Here
casework is less than 5 percent of
Chris Dehmer: Just layout
and materials here in Atlanta.
We are primarily residential and
have never had anyone ask for
more than that. I have had more
than one come by the shop to
see how we make them.
James Fox: Most architects
are only concerned with the
sizing and how various parts line
up and relate to one another. I
haven’t found any to be too concerned about how they are built -
of course, they are assuming that
it will be soundly built.
Jay Miller: For residential
stuff, I only give them what my
shop will use to fabricate and/
or what the client holds in the
Proposal, nothing extra. Commercial can be more involved,
and you should budget time
according to the expectations of
Daryl Regier: Thank you for
the help, it saved me a lot of time
on bidding projects.
Mike Murray: If you’re
doing commercial, make sure
you know the specs and or the
architect; some will stamp your
drawings with very little details,
others will make you jump
through FLAMING hoops. I
typically budget a minimum 3
percent for drawings up to 7
percent, depending on job/ar-
chitect/type of work.
Ron Shultz: Are there any
kind of indicators you look for
when you’re dealing with an architect that you’ve never worked
with before to give you an idea
how he will be to work with?
Jay Miller: Start with the con-tractor/builder. Just ask them
how involved is the Arch, what
submittal requirements are they
following? How picky is he? Ask
them outright. Be very candid
with them. How complicated are
the insurance requirements is a
pretty good indicator if you are
dealing with a larger GC.
Mike Murray: Jay is spot
on. I give them an example of
what I provide for the price and
explain shop drawings are a real
cost of the project and if they
How do you handle shop drawings?
CABINET SHOP TIPS
A CMA discussion
covers issues raised
How detailed do you go in providing shop drawings to an architect?
That’s a question raised on the Cabinet Makers Association forum.